Ray 

I don’t know if you remember but last year you sold me the Extreme Elite bullet for my Thunderhawk, made by TC Arms, and I was having trouble with the accuracy until you gave me some suggestions on powder amounts, which made all the difference for the combination that I was shooting. 

I am proud to say that it worked perfect when it needed to most for me, I shot this elk on the third day of a special permit hunt at 98 yards at a very steep angle, the elk only went about 8 yards before expiring (click picture to enlarge). I would suggest these bullets to anyone who enjoys muzzle loading. 

Thanks again Dave Allen.

Ray. I have spoken to you on a couple of occasions about your bullets and the magnum bases. Tuesday 11-02-04, I had the privilege to use them on a nice 8 pointer. He fell to the 200gr dead center from 50 yards. Man....what an exit hole. He didn't fall in his tracks but was real easy to trail due to the massive hole. I have found these bullets to be exceptionally accurate and look forward to using them more in the very near future. Thanks for turning me on to such a great bullet! 

Jeff Gregory/Chesterfield. Va

Thought I would send feedback to this Incredible product. This is truly the tightest group I have ever seen from a muzzleloader. Shot 1,2 practically same hole (these 2 shots were from mounting the scope, gun right out of the box which is a .489 group (no bore sighting). The next three shots are truly impressive as well. .713 WOW!! My father was a firearms instructor for our local police dept. and is one of the best shooters I know of, and he as well was very impressed with the accuracy. I am still amazed at the accuracy of the Savage, coupled with the Precision Products.  

Conditions: Cloudy, 11 mph crosswind, 71 deg. 

40/50 260 Gr. Dead center (using the Rat seating tool) 50 cal. Magnum sub-base 44 gr. XMP 5744 65 yds.  

Brian Nelson 
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Ray, I shot up the bullets today and all I can say is WOW!  For the first try, I took my old T/C Renegade, primarily because it is by far the most familiar of my muzzleloaders... Over the years, I tried just about everything imaginable in it... Minnie's, Maxies, sabot this, sabot that, and the ONLY thing it has ever shot well is patched round balls... You could drive nails with them, but any of the sabot or cast bullets open up to around three inches with the occasional flyer.. So, using 80, 90, and 100 grains by volume of 777 FFg I started in my sighting in the scope which turned out to not need any adjustments... After that, and after I had my flinches and jerks out of the way, I got down to business.  On the first target, which I actually intended to be a practice target, I fired two rounds each of 80, 90, and 100 grains... It was a one hole group! Backing off to 100 yards, I turned in another three rounds again all holes touching the other... I'll have to scan the targets, but basically, I found no point of impact difference between 80 and 100 grains 777 FFg at 50 yards, and no change in accuracy at 100 yards using 100 grains... This is the very first "bullet" of any kind other than the patched round ball that I have found to shoot in this rifle... If this is any indication at all, the QT is one heck of a great bullet.... I'm totally impressed... I'm going to post this on the forums, and then get the article together for the magazine page... 

Dave QUOTE: "Lord, please help me to be just half the man my dog thinks I am"... 

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Hi Ray- I finally got a chance to shoot more than paper this past weekend on the Pennsylvania early muzzleloading opener- does only season. I was very impressed with the QT and the job it did on an animal. Truly devastating at 100 yards. The penetration and the way the bullet exited the deer made tracking in yellow and bright red maple leaves (although pretty in the sun) easy because of the amount of blood.  Pete

Ray, I thought I would drop you an email to let you know how happy I am with your sabots! I was shooting Powerbelt 275 grain bullets and wasn't happy at all! They dropped like a rock after 150 yards. I have a TC Encore 45 and the Powerbelts were dropping 9 inches from 150 to 200 yards! I shots your sabots (.40 Caliber QT 250 grain) and could not believe it....At 100 yards I was 4 inches high and at 200 it was still 3 inches high. I moved the target out to 250 yards and I was only 4 inches low! I could not believe it! NO "flyers" either! I am going on an Elk hunt in New Mexico in 2 weeks and an extra 100 yards or more range sure will help! 

Thanks! 

Sid in Georgia

I received this email on 15 Aug 04 from Frank Langston of Allen TX: The group on the lower left is the Dead Center 240 gr .40/ 50 Cal. behind 37.2 gr of N110.@ 100yds .667 inches. 89 Degrees Sunny 5 mph head wind. 1st shot 2147 fps; 2nd shot 2107 fps; 3rd shot 2066 fps The group above is a 5 shot group of Dead Center 260gr .40/50 cal behind 38 gr of N110. 1st shot 2215 fps; second shot 2201 fps; 3rd shot 2191 fps; 4th shot 2202 fps; 5th shot 2211 fps. The flyer caused this group to be 1 inch. It came on the first shot out of a clean barrel. Shot 2-5 measure .5 inch! This was almost 4 one hole hits. Only 50 shots have been fired through this new Savage. Imagine what it will do when the barrel is broken in!!!!! 

Frank Langston 
Allen Texas

I received this email on 14 Aug 04 from Frank Langston of Allen TX:  So far my best 3 shot group came with the Dead Center .40 240 gr. 50 cal using 44 gr of AA 5744.  1st shot 1905 fps; 2nd shot 1848 fps; 3rd shot 1840 fps for a 1.58 inch group @ 100yds. I am using a stock Simmons 3x9x40 scope. When the barrel gets broke in the groups will shrink. Cleaning with a saliva patch after 5 rounds will get velocity and grouping more consistent.  Click graphic to enlarge.

Frank

Hey Ray, 

I shot 2 does and a nine point (he shrunk some when he hit the ground) during Iowa's late deer season with Precision bullets. None of them went more than twenty yards, unlike the previous two deer I shot with another brand of bullet. The deer that I double lunged traveled 75 and the one I single lunged/livered went 200+ yards. I like not tracking. I just upgraded to an Austin Halleck 420 from my old Timber Ridge. Do you have any experience with the Austin Hallecks?? What bullet weight/load recommendations can you make to shorten the learning curve?? 

Thanks, Chris

Hello Ray;

I finally got to shoot the muzzleloadingbullets, 220 grain only Dead Centers.  I loaded 100 grains of Pyrodex (2 pellets) and shot through my Chrony.  Muzzle velocity varied 1850 to 1900 fps.  I got 2" three shot groups at 100 yards, (actually 110 yards).  I don't know why the clubs range was set up like that.  I cleaned the bore between each shot.  I shot one 3 shot group at 200 yrds, got a 4" spread.  Can't do a lot of testing with just 10 bullets.  At 200 yds, a 4" group is far and away the best I have ever done with a smoke pole.  There was another shooter testing with a Knight Rifle.  I don't know the bullet type or powder charge he was loading, but he was shooting 5" groups at 110yds.  My Omega seems to perform best with 80 to 85 grains powder charge.  I used the two Pyrodex pellets to eliminate errors on my part.  I sure wish I could afford your 22 Hornet breech plug.  This was not an all out test for accuracy,  It was to determine bullet quality, and it is superb.

Bob Spann

Ray 

The quality of the construction of the product was visually superb, but several things (opening a new business, ect.) has not let me actually test these bullets in my rifle (a Thompson Center Encore).

What really impresses me is the personal interest you took in advising me on how best to work on my accuracy potential.

Ray,

Let me put it this way to portray my satisfaction with my order. I can't load, shoot and clean my rifle for next round as fast as I received the shipment from you. The bullets are very well built and the sabots fit according to caliber of bullet also. The dead center bullets I order needed to be bumped up in weight along with the QT bullets. Now on the other hand the extreme 330 gr. shoot like one inch groups with 150 gr. of 777 ffg powder. I've shot those up, already, in one setting to see what powder weight shoots best. I think something like a seventy five or one hundred pack would be nice, but pricey I bet. Thank you for your service and your follow up on the order. 

Keith